Designated 146 CC.Mk 1, they evaluated the type as a possible replacement … Indeed, some of the short-bodied aircraft may be kept on. From a service standpoint, not to be recommended. An RAF BAe 146 from 32 (The Royal Squadron) at Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan. I know that Bojo is a big lad, but he doesn’t need a bloody great A330 to get him around Europe/Middle East or across the Atlantic. In some ways a surprising choice given the RAAF is acquiring Grumman G550s for its new ISTAR surveillance aircraft and there would have been some benefits in training and logistics with a common airframe. Would love your thoughts, please comment. No, our Head of State requires a more “showy” aircraft for the needs of State visits, but can also… Read more ». I understand that this wasn’t appropriate! But certainly not as claustrophobic as a coffin should you ever wake up in one. © 2014-2019 UK Defence Journal, all rights reserved. I get sent all over the place and I get charged for travel, hotels etc but get reimbursed with funds provided by my Company. This 1990 BAe 146-200 aircraft is located in Cameroon, Africa. It was used in 2012 too so it would be wise for Mod to retain the runway. A Miliatary Airlift variant of the well know BAe-146-200 aircraft. A pair (BAe 146-200) then were taken into formal service, replacing the outgoing 1950s-era Hawker Siddeley Andover in the role, under the designation of CC.2 designation. Granted we need to lower our National Debt, but should it be at the expense of providing services to the country through the NHS, Police, military etc? He gave up piloting service aircraft not his licence. Bring british airways under british ownership and send the royal family out on their travels on these.Would be great advertisement = cash for the british. I had no idea and just looked that up. Matter of when not if I suspect. Leave her where she falls, then there is no problem. They limit what I can spend, just as the Royal household is limited in what she can spend when on business. Hence, why they got the blame. Flew in the Avro built version here in SA. The… 9 RJ100 + 2 RJ85. © 2014-2019 UK Defence Journal, all rights reserved. On a related topic it would seem i touched a nerve with my comments about the Shipbuilders Union on the Clyde on another topic. Manufacture of an improved version known as the Avro RJ began in 1992. If they pursue the multi-role concept for the P8s, they could end up with five airframes that are basically Global 5000s! On the contrary, it’s always mentioned. But without Benson, I’d Odiham hasn’t the space for the RAF SHF, hence the OCU ( 28 ) moving to Benson. Their bosses live the good life out of the contributions of thousands. Her Majesty, arriving in a kerosene tanker, how agricultural! Page 1/1 . What does it say about us, using a small business jet? The aircraft was certified with that capability. 32 Sqn is more than just the 146’s though. The aircraft is part of the RAF 904 Expeditionary Air Wing based at Kandahar Air Base. Setting an example to the US perhaps! The wing and engine activity also tends to encroach into the cabin. Sorry, I don’t know about property portfolios for champagne etc. Registration Details For ZE702 (Royal Air Force) BAe 146-100 His most trusted inner circle, Whelan, Mandelson…who shaped policy, were all ex communist party members. The BAE 146 fleet consists of two BAe 146-100s and designated in RAF service as the BAE 146 CC Mk2, along with two BAE 146-200QC (Quick Change) variants with a large freight door in the rear fuselage. The magnificent de Havilland is no more, the might Hatfield aerodrome reduced to a business estate and food delivery service. What I find odd is that a 4 year support contract was signed only a year ago. Ten year old Global 5000 are listed on globalplanesearch for around $15 million. In RAF service, they’ll be known as the BAe 146 C Mk3. Just checked. In reality it is increasingly unlikely that the Queen will pop her clogs abroad considering her age, most of her international commitments are picked up by… Read more ». In the end they are an Elderly Regional jet that is not operated by many Airlines anymore. I’ll save you more specs, it’s a private jet, you get the idea. ), don’t know why I can’t change my name back from “I think” to “julian1” – typo on this god-awful keyboard. In August 2008, a total of 140 BAE 146 aircraft (all variants) remained in airline service worldwide. ukdefencejournal.org.uk According to the above link, RAF planning on selling 32 squadron aircraft and using Voyager instead. We shall see. I think I meant P8/E7s…aren’t the E7s capable of the Sentinel role? MUST SEE! The RAF’s BAe 146 CC3 fleet comprises two former-TNT Airways aircraft, which have been modified to carry out a tactical airlifter role. 32 Squadron ist eine Fliegende Staffel der der Royal Air Force , die auf dem Flughafen RAF Northolt nordwestlich von London stationiert ist. Two BAe 146's are used in the medium-range/tactical transport role by the RAF for cargo and passenger operations in Afghanistan. Flightradar24 is a global flight tracking service that provides you with real-time information about thousands of aircraft around the world. OK, that may sound a bit snobby, but isn’t the Head of Sate representing the country and people. In 1983, the RAF leased two BAe 146 aircraft to assess their suitability as replacements for The Queen's Flight's Andovers. A source in the Royal Air Force told me on condition of anonymity: “The plan is to replace them with an unknown (small) number of Global 5000s or similar. It’s interesting that The Queen and I are identical in how these rules apply. The RAF is looking to sell off its BAE 146 transport fleet, aircraft primarily used to transport the Royal Family and other VIPs. A 2001 ex Swedish BRA RJ100 (one of the last built) can be bought for around £5 million. I flew on British Airways when it was in public ownership. The Voyager is available for refuelling when not in use. Braathens Regional Aviation(Sweden) has 11 Avro RJ. One issue with operating out of remote dirt strips is if one of the engines fails there is no ground services available to repair it. The budget of the Royal Household is charged for travel and this budget is fixed by Parliament and so must be managed. … And there’s me thinking it was the wife’s nagging! Well, if you wanted the cheapest replacement, buy 2nd hand. The Voyager aircraft was refitted at a cost of about £10m, in order to save about £775,000 per year as the plane will be cheaper than chartering flights, delivering significant savings for the taxpayer say the MoD. Would often result in nausea amongst passengers! In 1942 a concrete runway was installed on the site in the same three runway configuration as seen today. Very well worth to have them to be retrofitted for such thing. The aircraft were delivered in 1986 and joined by a third in 1990. 32(TR) Squadron’s CC Mk2s, ZE700 and ZE701 flew for the first time in 1984 and 1985, while the two C Mk3s, ZE707 and ZE708 are a fair bit younger with first flight dates in 1993 and 1991 respectively. People still visit Versailles in their millions, with the ludicrous expectation of seeing a ‘royal’. Powered by four ALF502R-3 engines mounted under the wings, the three available versions have a passenger capacity of 70 to 110. From the pics I’ve seen the Global 5000, depending on how the cabin is arranged, has the potential to be much more upmarket than the VIP Voyager at least in terms of the facilities available to the prime passenger (e.g. More recently however, the Global 5000 series has been touted as the favourite choice. So, when they go to a funeral overseas perhaps, all the other nation’s royals and presidents are flown in on airforce VIP aircraft and ours fly in on, at worst, a non-British aircraft with a commercial company logo. What exactly was the tactical/146 requirement, since it didn’t seem to exist before the afghan conflict (or 2010 when the cc3s were acquired. with regard to the 146 phase-out, its ok to replace with voyager as long as the RAF takes back some or all of those Voyagers leased to civilian operators. Also Heathrow new runway could effect Northolt and airspace management. There is more there than just the RAF. Meanwhile, under ‘austerity’ all parts of the national infrastructure and services (police, military in particular) have been criminally cut, all while increasing national debt to 85% of GDP (the limit is supposed to be 60%). Hmmmm, The Royals don’t like the 146, it needs to be replaced anyway, but what they want shouldn’t dictate what we buy, if this is true. Plus 2012 Hawker 900XP are selling for $5 million. I guess it will be horses for courses: One of the Airbus tankers for big state visits and using the smaller jets for less formal outings. People do not consider the revenue the Royal family provides in the form of tourism. The British Aerospace 146 (also BAe 146) is a short-haul and regional airliner that was manufactured in the United Kingdom by British Aerospace, later part of BAE Systems.Production ran from 1983 until 2001. What about buying/leasing a couple of A220s. Border patrol / fisheries protection for a few years after Brexit. Besides, it is a very busy civilian/business airport so the RAF don’t pay for all of it. That aircraft type is now now marketed by Airbus and built by Airbus Canada, a joint venture with the original manufacturer Bombardier. Sounded like a vacuum cleaner. 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First Uploaded: December 30, 2020 Last Updated: December 30, 2020 Last Downloaded: 4 days ago queen or PM) and her/his immediate entourage. If the RAF were willing to look at 2nd hand aircraft, I see an airline fleet of RJs is coming on the market (Braathens?). The contract commenced on March 1, 2018 and runs until 2022. Who the hell does she think she is?!?! Like the rest of the British aircraft industry and Governments over the years – naive fools. British RAF BAe 146s have served as VIP transport in the "Queen's Flight", originally leased and trialed as the CC.1. In my view BAe should have gone after Bombardie and BAe made mistake selling their Airbus stake years ago. Just looked it up. what about the tactical transport role? If this story is correct it suggests a lack of planning somewhere. The problem for me is not the VIP aspect, but we recently purchased some for use in Afghanistan and this seems to show we have a potential gap in in capabilities. Doh! In 1940 RAF Port Ellen was opened to defend Great Britain from enemy attack and to provide reconnaissance over the Atlantic. At just over 5,000 feet, I assume this would preclude Voyager flights. Have you ever actually had a job? 229 BAE 146 were built between 1983 and 1993, including the Statesman for the Queens Flight of the Royal Air Force and for the Abu Dhabi Royal Flight. I tried for a number of years to introduce life cycle management using guidance applicable to MOD. Aircraft and component broker Executive Jet Support (EJS) has acquired former Starbow BAe 146-300 D-AEJS (msn E3183 ex 9G-SBC) as a source for parts. But what might have been with a bit of leadership and vision…. Even if the station becomes non flying the ground units remain. Global 5000 jets tentatively planned to replace BAE 146. BAe 146-300 salon is equipped with good sound insulation, lighting and more non-straight shelves for hand luggage. The problem with the Blair government – before the Iraq lunacy – was that they did a lot of good but weren’t quite as left as they should have been. yet most years Paris is the most visited city in the world without any need for a monarchy. Durch die Wirtschaftskrise Mitte der 1970er Jahre schwanden die Marktchancen für das geplante Zubringerflugzeug, so dass die Entwicklung zunächst verschoben wurde. The RAF is looking to sell off its BAE 146 transport fleet, aircraft primarily used to transport the Royal Family and other VIPs. They already have excess flying hours available in the 9 aircraft we have immediately available, so no need to bring the surge fleet back to brize to fly the odd politician and Royal around. This model features the distinctive re-fuel probe along the top of its fuselage , AIS components allowing cargo loading and the exclusive PUSHBACK feature. The repair bill was around a million….that would have been footed by the MOD…as there is no insurance for military assets! It wouldn’t be cost effective, the cost of removing all the kit and then rebuilding as a business jet would likely be more than buying a used Global 5000. It comes out of a budget provided for them. Aerolineas Star Peru procured two BAE 146-200 regional airliners on 3 August 2010. The Defence Postal Centre and RLC Bomb Disposal as just 2 examples. Flogged off to be Waterbombers’ in the USA. George has a degree in Cyber Security from Glasgow Caledonian University and has a keen interest in naval defence technology and cyber security matters. Even our Argentine guide remarked on how it made a statement. George has a degree in Cyber Security from Glasgow Caledonian University and has a keen interest in naval defence technology and cyber security matters. The airport was stuffed full of gaudy 747’s, starting with Air Force 1 , the Saudis had two, presumably the second one for the staff and the concubines, and the President of Turkey had the biggest and flashiest 747-8. But I would have the Royal Yacht and the Royal Train too. I remember the prototype buzzing over Hatfield. The RAF are looking to sell off its BAE 146 transport fleet, aircraft primarily used to transport the Royal Family and other VIPs. 32 Squadron, "The Royal," operates both the VIP versions, known to the service as BAe 146 CC.2s, as well as the BAe 146 C.3 transport variants. It doesn’t compare favourably with other aircraft that Tier 1 countries use for their Heads of State. ? ... Benson is not strategic and I see more chance of Benson closing particularly if the RAF doesn’t replace Puma or focuses solely (on more Chinook.) I think Northolt showed its importance during the 2012 Olympics – I don’t think it will close, too strategically important to London. So I’d say it’s tentative at best.”. The decision to sell our stake in Airbus some years back means that the UK now is essentially a sub-contractor to the EU and Americans and with no real say in Airbus going forward. Much newer than the RAF 146. Unless there are some bits of the VIP Voyager that I haven’t seen in the photos the talk of a separate rear cabin area in the Global 5000 for maybe a full lie-down bed or private meeting area is superior to VIP-Voyager which looks to me from the pictures to essentially be very… Read more ». Der Erstflug der 146-100 fa… Oh! Either the Government borrows money or it scrimps by? But rather bringing here to the USA they’d stay there to be available for your wild land fire protection or at least other neighboring countries. Fleet Royal Air Force Full fleet in PDF format Photos Royal Air Force Fleet age of Royal Air Force Flightlog Royal Air Force (24 flights) BAe 146 / Avro RJ Active with Royal Air Force. They will replace the RAAFs three existing Bombardier Challenger 600s which were smaller and had less range than the Falcons. Wasn’t there a plan to convert 146’s to cheap refuelling tankers. A much more practical aircraft in terms of running costs! Official flights using either Royal Squadron BAE 146 aircraft or long haul charter jets cost on average £6,700 per flying hour while using a Voyager aircraft would cost £2,000, say the MoD. The queen charters her own Helicopter now I believe? South African’s regional arm AirLink currently operates a fleet of 12 83-seat Avro RJ85s, making it their second most used regional jet behind the Embraer ERJ-135. Well, on the subject of “Left”, they certainly “Left” us with horrendous debts. Executive Jet Support, based near London Heathrow, provides commercial aircraft, engines, and airframe components to almost 200 operators in over 40 countries worldwide. Is this the end of the road for 32 Sqn and the closure of RAF Northolt? I havn’t been past there in the last few weeks, but the runway refurb & resurfacing project was almost complete. The RAF should have a proper VIP fleet like all other nations our size do, with national symbols on. The BAe 146 is a small regional jetliner family, offering quiet, efficient operations with a distance of up to 1500 Nautical miles. Typical MOD farcical, amateurish, ambivalent toss. (without Googling it ), It was envisaged when the 146 was developed that it would have a strong market in Africa, the Aircraft was designed to be able to operate off rough dirt strips in remote locations. Project MODEL closed several MoD sites and their lodger units moved to Northolt. But who knows. Again a reliable source would be useful. Exactly the same as everyone else. These jets, also known as the BAe 146 Statesman, have a specially … Gloster Grebes were received at the end of 1924 and were replaced by Gloster Gamecocks two years lat… FSX BAe 146-100. As I said, so do I. C17 is the largest I’ve seen there, Typhoon the fastest! you’re forgetting that Bojo needs space to entertain members of his overseas trade delegation….and can you fit a long, steel pole on a business jet? Ok. I’m a Monarchist myself, and proudly so. for NHS computers, Black Wednesday…all whilst the Champaign Socialists were acquiring impressive property portfolios in Islington. In 2017, Ministers were ‘urged to show solidarity‘ with workers at the Bombardier aerospace factory in Northern Ireland and select the C-Series aircraft, part-built in Belfast, as the new jet for the Queen’s Flight. Surprised that they didn’t do this years ago. They always have a senior service pilot alongside when they ‘take control of the aircraft’. It is now rumoured that the BAE 146 transport fleet will be replaced with “Global 5000 series aircraft or similar”. British Aerospace BAe 146 C.3. Probably that her son likes to fly them, until he was banned. In the case of the Royal Household it’s for representing U.K. plc. The firm say there is an optional private room aft and the galley has room to prepare 16 five-course meals. British Aerospace 146-100 Statesman with registration ZE700 (ex G-5-507, G-6-021) airframe details and operator history including first flight and delivery dates, seat configurations, engines, fleet numbers and names Compared to Greece our measures actually worked, but it has cost us dear. Even with a VIP fitout they are probably not as comfy as a modern Long Range Business jet with their modern EFIS fit. [Full HD/1920px] RRR1923 starting up on stand W28 after a technical stop for refuelling on its way from Lajes Air Base (TER/LPLA) to RAF Benson (BEX/EGUB). I accept that may have been an afghan-specific mission and may not be required now. To that end the aircraft was designed with four engines to allow redundancy and can safely take off with only three engines working. We coped before Afghan without these. Probably quite cheap. Yes…exactly, and as any decent Sgt Major would have said ” with all due respect sir…no you are fucking not”! I wonder what HM dislikes so much that she is not even to be brought back dead,heaven forbid, in one? Various Articles I read some time ago, Combined IT Cock-Up costs came to about £30 Billion, NHS was £12.7 Billion. The RAAF has recently leased three new Dassault Falcon 7X business jets (same intercontinental class and range as the Bombardier Global 5000s). The A400M generates a lot of turbulence behind the wings from the props and the standard 90m drogue was too short necessitating a 120m long drogue line. FS2004 BAe 146-200 STA. Why did we abolish the queen’s flight only to replace it with (the royal) squadron? Agree. Black Wednesday was in 1992 under Major, the ERM debacle. The UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) has awarded a contract to a BAE Systems-led team for the BAe 146 jetliner fleet operated by the Royal Air Force’s (RAF) No 32 Squadron from RAF Northolt in West London. Designed for a maximum of 93 passengers, the Series 100 flew for the first time on September 3, 1981 and completed its first revenue service, with Dan-Air, on May 27, 1983. Sad-in some respects marks the end of all-British designed and built commercial aircraft even though of course, production ceased in the UK many years back. I was in Buenos Aires at the same time as the G20 met last November. Jane’s 360 was first to report on this news after noticing that the Defense Equipment Sales Authority (DESA) included the BAE 146 aircraft in a brochure at the Defence and Security Equipment International (DSEI) industry event. The RAF pilot ! So, he was certainly near communists, if not “Near being a Communist”. 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