As I was told many years ago, if you want to effectively communicate your ideas and have people listen to them, you need to learn to write. Everyone in my class knows that taxes are high in Europe but Taxes doesn’t make gas prices high my friend. Car A Rac presents recommended by manufacturers oil types. All they need is regular maintenance and they go on forever. “And after all of that extra safety equipment and reinforcements are met how much light, airy, zippiness will remain.” Um, none. But weight and drag typically pay the price for excessively tall vehicles with a bunch of unused space. I’m talking about cars like the Audi A3–something that will appeal to boomers with real money, which in turn will help them influence other decision-makers, spouses, children, etc. “an additional $6k per car”! How can FIAT the same car in Mexico but not across the Rio Grande. And after all of that extra safety equipment and reinforcements are met how much light, airy, zippiness will remain. They just had to foist it onto Nissan to make it work ;). Gas Prices affected by Geopolitics and Supply problems. SHEFFIELD As much as I loved my 128, it was such a rust bucket that a control arm came off (unibody frame ripped) when driving over a bump at 45mph; only my quick wits (back then) kept me out of the cemetary. Now the domestics have a long way to go to improve engine efficiency and the like, but they still have to compete on the merits of HP. And it is my second one. …parts of the fat rusting Chevy Tahoe you just ran circles around? So it’s no wonder that the average price of fuel in the US during December was $3.053 per gallon, while the average price in the UK, based upon the current exchange rate, equated to $7.688 per US gallon. WOW!!! The problem is not the carmakers – they just make what people want. I drop my jaw. Aaaaaah Fiat. All the Japanese manufacturers understand this; why are the US manufacturers fighting it? And all this fun at 40 mph. 2008 Fiat Grande Punto 1.2 Dynamic 5-Door From £2,495 + Retail Package Hatchback Thornton-Cleveleys, Lancashire Remote Central Locking, Front Electric Windows, Electric Mirrors, ABS, Air … for less (much less) with little gas mileage penalty? I have a feeling that those issues have been addressed in recent times. For a city car, the base model absorbs the abuses of urban roads extremely well– while preserving the fun factor. So with or without the regulations more people are likely to look for better fuel economy. So, uh, what is? But the bottom line is that the Fiat badge WILL be a handicap for the people who don’t frequent sites such as this (i.e., about 99 percent of all car buyers), just as the Ford or Chevy nameplates scare off a fairly large percentage of buyers. That may also color my opinion of the car’s appearance. Sure, the Suzuki SX4 is a start, and there is the first coming of the smart (dang, I’m rhyming! 3 door Manual Petrol Hatchback. The same is now said about many Fiat models. I didn’t read all nine pages of comments, but I wanted to add that you have to wonder how much of GM’s money from buying its way out of its Fiat partnership went into developing this car. Have you check other comments on TTAC that has grammatical error? Or seen it in person? Unfortunately, Americans aren’t wired the same way when it comes to driving, and I’m not sure they ever will come to terms with the concept of “limited resources.” I’d love to see more cars like this make it over to the US and be successful, but in the land of “perceived” plenty, they will continue to struggle in the valley of the shadow of the SUV. GM sells a pretty successful, if less pretty, version of this car in Europe: The Opel/Vauxhall Corsa. If people couldn’t be bothered to pick up an Insight over a Prius because it lacked space, why would they be bothered to pick up this car over a Corolla? It's just not … That’s crazy! I once thought that pushing $3/gallon would result in a shift in driving habits, but as I look out on I-26 today, I don’t see it. In contrast, the US has a federal gasoline tax of a relatively paltry $0.184 per gallon. Because I own a Fiat, Justin. If these cars are that great, come on over, join the party. Entre y conozca nuestras increíbles ofertas y promociones. )…but just about everywhere else you look, models are getting bigger and bigger. As much fun as mashing the throttle is in a high-horsepower car, I’m firmly of the “going fast in a small/slow car” mindset. Erm, European safety and emissions requirements are no less stringent than American. Why does this car deserve a bad review because Fiat left the American market suddenly 30 years ago? I think it’s just that people like to have a lot of “air space” over their heads (typical with large SUVs or trucks). It’s a lot like the Punto style wise but IMO the ibiza looks a bit better. The Fiat Stilo (Fiat’s Ford Focus competitor) was also very attractive. GM and Ford make and sell small fuel efficient vehicles in Europe and elsewhere just like Toyota makes gas guzzlers for the American market. Euros aren’t immune to cars porking out either. I know that because I’m a College student. and bigger is (mostly) better so why not the 130hp 1.9 turbo diesel. Gas prices is always been high in Europe before the OPEC oil embargo in the 70’s. Why do you think the US has subsidized energy prices and an insanely complex tax code that rewards big houses and encourages consumer spending? 5 Drzwi, Klima, 121 tys przebieg. @AKM – you are so right no big gulps, no burger joints, despite the fact that everyone has a cell phone and the service is better than in the US (Nationwide), The seldom use them in the car. Ummmm, nope, the Punto looks better, sorry! 2010 (10 reg) | 91,800 miles. Buy & Sell on Ireland's Largest Cars Marketplace. While I didn’t buy it, the Mazda3 was comfortable and a blast to drive in its price segment. I wish the Europeans would explain to us how we can improve our standard of living and be just like them. Consider that the BMW 328i costs 34,600 Euros in Germany. This car interior is fabulous and the price, The fact that a fun small car can place so miserably on the JD Power survey tells you something about how good smaller cars in Europe can be — even many of the losers are pretty fun to drive — and how dull most of our offerings are in comparison. Or drive it in sequential mode and you may as well be driving a stick– without the clutch pedal. “All the Japanese manufacturers understand this; why are the US manufacturers fighting it?”. The US gallon is smaller than an Imperial gallon, plus the testing cycle used in Europe is different. I hear it’s a great place to work though. What I find strange is that the Fiat Grande Punto gained 20cm in length compared to the old model… but also at the same time the new Peugeot 207 and Renault Clio III also gained the same amount to arrive at the same length +/- a cm or two. Register now to join our community of over 125,000 members and gain instant access to all we have to offer. Why are you assuming a Fiat is a piece of junk just because you think TTAC doesn’t like American cars? 8.9 seconds 0-60. seems like the real thing standing in the way of our having fun fuel-efficient little cars is all those dang safety and emissions regulations. Have you actually driven this car? The model has consistently played a leading role in all international markets (sales of over 850,000 since the launch, of which half outside Italy) and has now been revamped to offer customers significant new exterior features, a new range designed to appeal even more to the young, higher value due to the addition of major features as standard such as the sophisticated latest-generation ESP system with built in Hill Holder and, last but not least, new product packages based on the innovative Blue&MeTM entertainment and communications system. That’s what higher performance Puntos are for (with a whopping 100 horsepower). Fiats are great cars. 2) European emissions and safety standards are not the same as American emissions and safety standards. Hope this is not considered flaming, but here goes anyhow. This is too bad because if they made things independently we would have a larger diversity of cars, and could choose the one that is “just right”. Other features exclusive to the Fun and Sport versions include burnished headlights and two new alloy wheel trims: the first 16" in Chrome Shadow, the second 17" with a striking diamond pattern. All specifications, performance and fuel economy data of Fiat Grande Punto 1.4 16V Sport (70 kW / 95 PS / 94 hp), edition of the year 2008 since mid-year 2008 for Europe , including acceleration times 0 … As for big cars, I’m leasing a big ole car now, knowing that it will be my last. I’m sure this version will keep up the Fiat tradition of mechanical reliability and quality. Entra y conoce nuestras ofertas increíbles. if buy wholesale of course the prices are discounted and majority of Oil Companies are American. This is ludicrous. The Accord is getting large and bloated, while the Civic is now easily the size of Accords of yore. Am înțeles că S.C. OLX Online Services S.R.L. Good enough! It is ironic that the majority of Americans want the government to “do someting” about our energy situation in the hope that a new energy policy will make everything alright and that everyone can carry on driving land barges. Enough with the social engineering to ensure we do the “right” thing in the eyes of the government. Unfortunately, a serious lack of real world consequences for bad decisions and no time for teaching even basic home economics in highschool (least of all more broad micro- and macroeconomics) has led to a majority of Americans that are unable to spend money wisely and live within their means. Loved the way they drove, hated the lack of reliability. Mini car ≠ family car. Ah, the Research Institute of Research. Same when Sajeev Mehta reviewed it the first time. Must be psychological. if you don’t like my comments don’t read it. I’m not saying that you are bad person or an idiot, just that it is very hard to follow your writing. Fiat Grande Punto 1.2 (2006) vs Peugeot 2008 Facelift 1.2 PureTech 82 (2016) Fiat Grande Punto 1.2 (2006) vs Volkswagen Golf 7 R 2.0 TSI 300HP (2014) Fiat Grande Punto 1.2 (2006) vs Toyota Yaris … Well, I’m 6’2 and I fit in like in a glove! Compared to Fiat, Alfa Romeo, Renault etc – which pulled up stakes in the middle of the night with the Sheriff trying to serve them – the conduct of the American companies during the same time period was exemplary. The gorgeous front end evokes the, gulp, Maserati Coupe GT. The optional Duodrive semi-automatic transmission is like the one bar in Times Square that’s worth visiting. That translates to $51,000. ” Why are you assuming a Fiat is a piece of junk just because you think TTAC doesn’t like American cars?”. Those who seek a car with an out-and-out sporty temperament will be more attracted by the second family "SportLife" - that includes the versions Sport and the brand new Fun. You’ll roll backwards on hills, neutral has a real use, and you can even feel light vibrations when accelerating from a standstill. Justin, did you fly to Mexico or Italy to drive one? It appears they now have some great cars. Serwisowany. All the Japanese manufacturers understand this; why are the US manufacturers fighting it? Funny somebody mentioned flogged Fiats from Ferrari dealerships – Fiat Mexico sells a Stilo Schumacher. I agree. Europeans don’t drive Puntos and Clios because they are smarter than us, or more environmentally concerned, they drive those small cars because gas is outrageously expensive for them. But that issue aside, Americans can afford bigger cars because gas, for us, is still very cheap by worldwide standards. One for the increased fuel economy and two for the extra thrust of torque they provide. The “I would’t fit in it” comments I always hear are just ridiculous. But I think they would rather be pretty much all the same so as not to risk being the odd duck out. Larry P2 is right about Fiat in the 70’s…. Fiat Grande Punto 2008 - Find out the correct alloy wheel fitment, PCD, offset and such specs as bolt pattern, thread size(THD), center bore(CB) for Fiat Grande Punto 2008 Plus it’s 12,000 EUROs. I really miss outrageously cool little cars like this, though it might be a bit tight for a 77″ tall goon like myself. Let’s hope Renault, Peugeot, Citroen, SEAT and all the others start bringing them to America. I myself drive a SEAT ibiza. The Fiat Grande Punto is a small, easy to maneuver car with a hoot of an engine, a ripping good transmission, great handling, an outrageous price and fantastic fuel economy. Ford: You already have a great car, I’ll have the Fiesta please! The only reason I use credit cards is for ease of payment. I just happened upon the ‘Linea’, which seems to be the sedan model and I think I’m in love. Diesels have been popular in Europe largely because the fuel was, until recently, much cheaper due to lower taxes. PS Justin could you get your hands on a new Fiat Bravo? The third generation Fiat to bear the name Punto, codenamed Project 199, the Grande Punto was unveiled at the 2005 Frankfurt Motor Show and went on sale later that year. I would think twice before getting, say, a Miata (~2400 lbs). The US consumer wants larger and softer sprung vehicles which are not called hatchbacks (small wagons, CUVs but never call it a hatchback – it spooks the US consumer). That sounds more realistic especially if the test drive included revving the engine and dropping it into gear as Berkowitz implies ;). I suspect the additional $6K mentioned by Clutz is intended to shore up/subsidize lagging sales from almost all other corners of GM’s market and has little to do with fuel economy regs. They don’t have plains, and they use trains. The 2007 JD Power survey in the UK gave the Punto a “poor” ranking for mechanical reliability, placing it 29th in a field of 31 superminis and 106th out of a field of 113 cars overall. But the shift won’t come overnight. Peugeot 207 1.4 Hdi-Fiat Grande Punto 1.3 CDTi-Opel Corsa 1.3 CDTi : le bal … But, I think that I am the exception. Trust me. … Find used Fiat Grande Punto 2008 Cars for sale at Motors.co.uk. For the life of me, I can’t figure out how we ever got this way. Except for 1 the Mazda 626. Please.”. Most americans will have no idea what I’m talking about but european members will know what a great car it is. Is it new regulations, or are they all trying to stuff more things into cars that used to be small? Yes there are the dowdy sedans too, but i like the little cars. Olesno wczoraj 22:03. Discover All New & Used Fiat punto Cars For Sale in Ireland on DoneDeal. Take a car like this and mate it to an automatic transmission, and it will be even slower than it is here, unable to keep up with traffic. Retrouvez toutes les fiches techniques Fiat Grande Punto millésime 2008 : dimensions, motorisation, performances, consommation ainsi que l'ensemble des données constructeur. I live in The Netherlands and the Dutch are the tallest people on earth, but cars like the Punto are the best selling cars in the country (In 2007 the best selling car was the Peugeot 207). To a degree, MINI, Mazda3, and GTI accomplish this…but those are all heavily GenY and GenX marketed. Essai - Fiat eco:Drive : l’écocitoyenneté à la portée de tous Maxi-fiche fiabilité : que vaut la Fiat Grande Punto en occasion ? A very good design combined with modern technology and low consumption – it looks like those $2 billions from GM were put to good use! They also don’t spend hours in their cars in traffic jams, or driving 1,000 miles in a straight line across the plains. Europeans have grown accustomed to high fuel prices and have adjusted their driving style to match. There are plenty of Americans who know how to live within their means, it’s just the bad apples that get all of the attention. I have a good communication skills. For example, the base model Grand Punto is equipped with a 65 hp, 1.2 liter gas engine. For me I respect a company that built not only cars but also planes or should I say Jet planes. Exhilirating sound, acceptable quality, sporty ride — straight from Avis! I rented a 1.4l Fiat Bravo coupe in Norway about 10 years ago. PCH: Hence the popularity of diesel engines. I’d take a chance on a Punto for a commutomobile – sounds like it is more massive than either of the above cars. GM must understand that the fuel prices are likely to keep going up. As a result, its European fuel economy rating equates to 31/48 in US gallons, which even if reduced by the new US testing regime would probably still be pretty good. And the Italians have the best engines, hands down. Of all the cars I’ve ever driven, my ’95 VW Golf had the most driver room and sense of space. If the Fiat Punto were sold here for $14,000 I’d be first in line. GM must understand that the fuel prices are likely to keep going up. I will admit I have a negative bias toward FIAT from their not so good history here in the US. Don’t let its 77 horsepower output fool you. Not to mention that many, many people have this irritating tendency to be extremely selfish and not worry about the consequences of their actions not just on themselves, but on others as well. When the time comes that Americans can only afford to drive something the size of a Punto, they will. Fiat Grande Punto 1.3 multijet Tempomat, Aluminijumske felne, 4/5 vrata, Manuelni 6 brzina 2.700 € You can bet if Europeans could buy four litres of gas for one and a half Euros (I couldn’t be bothered to work out precise exchange rates) then they’d be driving larger cars too. What year Ibiza? I traveled all over Europe in my 89 Fiat uno, and have unforgettable memories. The Versa is airy, at least. Scientists from the Research Institute of Research have released a study that proves it is impossible to drive the Grande Punto without a shit-eating grin. The upshot to this system: it’s absolutely the closest any automatic transmission can come to feeling like you’re driving a manual. Siguiendo con las dimensiones, el Fiat Grande Punto de 2005 tenía unas dimensiones de 4,03 metros de largo, 1,68 metros de ancho y 1,49 metros de alto. I’m always amazed when Americans say that these kinds of cars are too small for Americans and that they don’t fit in them. The US has substantially lower fuel taxes than most other developed countries. The Spider I miss not so much – the 70’s regulations had their way with it. Why do YOU always assume that Taxes makes oil price higher? 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